Well you can plan on the same thing next year but this time, you know the game. Remember that if you want a five year you have to accomplish it on the day your license expires, or you will get another one year.

Oh yuo silver toungue devil

papaguido wrote:According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national."

Thank you for digging that one up. This (above) says that this reporting requirement only applies to the case in which the foreign national is accommodate on a temporary basis.

What's missing is a definition of the term "temporary". In the case of Keg's landlord, the immigration officer seemed to have either interpreted Keg's residing in his rented house as being temporary, or he made a mistake.

I think temporary is the only status most of us have without permanent residency or citizenship

I am here on a one year multi entry "O" visa and had a 1 year rental agreement for the house done up by the land lords lawyer. He asked my wife if we were married and saw the documents where we registered the marriage. He looked at all documents so I am not sure what the word temporary means in this case. In his eyes it seeems to be anyone not a permanent resident of Thailand.

The title of the form says nothing about temporary but only "Where Alien Has Stayed". The form is in Thai with the English translation underneath.
The english translation has some mistakes in it. It starts out as "I" as in the land lord and then goes on to get all of their info. After the land lord info the next entry reads:

"wish to notify the address where alien recieved permission to stay temporality in the Kingdom has stayed as ______________________.

Above is exactly as written on the form so I am not sure what temporality means. Below is what I think they mean:

"wish to identify the address where an alien, who has recieved permission to stay temporarily in the Kingdom, has stayed at _______________. It then goes on to list that address.

The bottom of the form is titled "RECEIPT OF NOTIFICATION" and the Immigration Officer fills that out and signs it. They give you a copy of the form. He also gave me a receipt for the 1000baht late fee and logged that in his book.

I am not sure where this is going or it was a one off thing but I really don't believe many land lords have complied with it to date. The sign he told my wife to read that explained this was posted to the left of the sliding door on the outside of the window on a red sign with white writing and of course it was in Thai only. She did verify that the sign said the land lord has to notify Immigration and come in person.

Keg

rickfarang wrote:

papaguido wrote:According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national."

Thank you for digging that one up. This (above) says that this reporting requirement only applies to the case in which the foreign national is accommodate on a temporary basis.

What's missing is a definition of the term "temporary". In the case of Keg's landlord, the immigration officer seemed to have either interpreted Keg's residing in his rented house as being temporary, or he made a mistake.

IMO, I think the landlord was obligated to notify immigration regardless of Keg's status. Then again how does the landlord define the lessee's status. Just like most laws here they're vague and left open to misinterpretation.

The title of the act (which I left out) is "Notification of residence of foreigners for businesses: Key word businesses, however the statement also indicates "heads of household". If this is the case then I'm pretty sure there are many out there who are in violation of the act, including me.

Had to jump through the same hoops last January to get my Thai car and motorcycle licenses. Khun grouchy at AEK said needed landlady to come in and sign the form so called her at her workplace and she kindly came in to meet us during her lunch hour. Not many Thai landlords know about the 24 hour rule, apparently, and the move-in date she entered was about 3 weeks old. Grouchy announced that she was in violation and there would be a 500 baht fine! He then told her (in Thai, of course), "No problem. The farang will pay this fine!" The fine has been increased to 1,000 baht since then. He was right. I paid just to get out of there.

Anyone who takes the computer test (in English) at Land Transport should take a look at the bulletin boards on the 3rd floor. Traffic signs, mostly, with explanations in Thai so have your Thai wife or girlfriend interpret for you. I was able to pass easily on first try. I rented a motorbike from the guy who was in charge of the driving test and paid 130 baht so guess I got ripped off a bit there. Then again, after paying extra, how could he possibly give me a "fail" score unless I fell off of the bike?

[quote="papaguido]
Here's the Immigration Act:

According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national." [/quote]

In the case of hotel managers, wouldn't this imply that they would need to do this daily?

Yes Mainer that is what they are supposed to do, donl;t know if they do or not, but they defiently want pasport numbres when you register. These law have been around for years, but never enforced on the level they are now. I to had to ahve my landlord signa documetn, but he wasn't required to go to immigration and there was no mention of fines. All these things are no acccident the hand writing i on the wall. We are not welcoem by the current powers to be and they will make it as difficult as possible. More then likely nothing that can't be accomplished.

I doubt that we have seen the last of this probably a lot more to come one example:

The Education Extension of Stay to study Thai was being granted for one year, last week. This week, new applications are being stamped valid for 90 days. The new applicants holding the new extension of stay will need to renew the permit at Immigration at the end of every 90 days.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Another Sunbelt Asia. Can we trust them this time?

Seaserpent wrote:Another Sunbelt Asia. Can we trust them this time?

Up to you Seaserpent. You are not paying them, so they don't owe you any professional duty of care.

I note your previous spray about Sunbelt appears to have come from a 2nd or 3rd hand report (? on Thai Visa). Whereas if you read the original post from Sunbelt (? did you), it was heavily and appropriately qualified.

I for one am happy to trust Sunbelt, always bearing in mind that you can never be 100% of what is going to happen with Thai Immigration.

I am always amazed at people who think companies like Sunbelt Asia are needed!Example:They charge 5500 baht to get you a multiple re-entry permit!That is 1600 baht + vat for taking your passport and simple form to immigration,wait for less than an hour for them to process it.If you watch,you will see these agents employees present a stack of passports at one time !1600 baht each????Please how stupid or very rich someone would have to be to use them!

Sunbelt offers services to those who want to use them. For some people, especially those in the throes of taking over a new business, it might seem like a pretty good deal if they can save half a day of taxi travel and waiting around.

On the 24 hour reporting rule..
I had read recently, I think it was the Pattaya Mail, that the hotels in
the area are required to report within 24 hrs. The Immigration officials ackowledge that there is a problem and that now computer technology is being put into place that makes it easier for hotels to report foreigners within that time frame.
Unknown if fact or not.