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PostAuthor: izzix » February 16, 2009, 1:53 am


Udon Thani saved red-yellow clash
By THE NATION ON SUNDAY
Published on February 15, 2009



Police keep rival supporters away during PAD rally

People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) supporters gathered yesterday in Udon Thani and their rally continued late in the evening without feared interruptions from anti-government red-shirt locals, after the latter dispersed in the evening.

The Khon Rak Udon protesters were kept away from the PAD supporters by around 2,000 anti-riot and local policemen. About 15,000 PAD supporters gathered at a mini concert at Prajak Silapakhom Pond Park on Muang district,

The PAD mobilised around 2,000 of its guards to provide security to its supporters, who travelled from Bangkok and across the country, including mostly those living in nearby provinces in the Northeast.

Many Pheu Thai MPs from Udon sent red-shirts on motorcades around the province throughout the day, calling on the locals to the street to campaign against the PAD gathering and other activities. The provincial authorities later issued a statement thanking Udon Thani locals for their cooperation and apologising for the inconvenience caused by the PAD activities.

Jaroen Mookhajornphan, the local PAD leader, criticised the police for their strict and time-consuming checks and searches on PAD protesters at many road checkpoints. He said the traffic congestion and inconvenience caused by police checks would create a bad public image for the PAD. He accused the police of discriminating against the PAD, while letting red-shirt locals and Khon Rak Udon supporters through checkpoints without checking them.

About 1,500 red-shirted people gathered at the local airport in the morning to check on incoming passengers for PAD supporters.

Another group of red-shirted people tried to stop a four-bus motorcade of PAD supporters from using a road and almost attacked the vehicles, before they were separated by local policemen, and the motorcade agreed to use another route.

A team of PAD guards had earlier argued with police who manned a small checkpoint, which was set up at a 100-metre distance from a major checkpoint. The guards accused police of deliberately setting up the small checkpoint to create traffic congestion to make the PAD look bad in the eyes of the local public. The small checkpoint was later removed following negotiations between PAD coordinators and a senior policeman.

Police earlier arrested two PAD supporters on charge of possessing fire-arms. One suspect, a Nakhon Sawan native, said he was given an 11-mm pistol and seven bullets by PAD coordinators for self-protection for his duty as a PAD guard. Another suspect, a Chanthaburi woman, said she found 17 pistol bullets abandoned and was about to hand them over to PAD coordinators.
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: westerby » February 16, 2009, 2:29 am

The Nation wrote:A team of PAD guards had earlier argued with police who manned a small checkpoint, which was set up at a 100-metre distance from a major checkpoint. The guards accused police of deliberately setting up the small checkpoint to create traffic congestion to make the PAD look bad in the eyes of the local public. The small checkpoint was later removed following negotiations between PAD coordinators and a senior policeman.


Interesting how a political group can arrive in a city and set up its own checkpoints while the BiB backs off and looks on.
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Techland » February 16, 2009, 5:29 am

Where does it say that the 'major checkpoint' had been operated by the yellows?
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » February 16, 2009, 6:03 am

Yes,I think you read it different than me westerby!
As I understand it the PAD were complaining that the police were setting up extra checkpoints to cause disruption and congestion for PAD!
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Aardvark » February 16, 2009, 10:29 am

I think if you go back to Pops post you'll notice he said the pad had there own security #-o if he was wrong we'll have to send out a lynching party for Cliff :D
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: PopsIcafe » February 28, 2009, 2:02 pm

PAD did have their own security of about 2000 in and around Nong Prajak Park. One of the security guys was arrested for carrying a fire arm and 7 rounds of ammo. A woman who had 17 rounds of ammo she said she had found, was also arrested. Both individuals where PAD members.

Pop's :pirate:
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Bangsean_girl » March 1, 2009, 11:49 am

well I don't know why everywhere they go has to be closed even Nongprajak ! I have a poem of how I feel toward them, feel free to critic ;)

PAD said, "We fight for Thailand"
I praised.
PAD said , “Government is corrupt”
I nodded.
PAD said, “come out to save the country”
I listened.
PAD said, "prepare yellow symbols"
I saw.
PAD said, “we would make a mob ”
Their right.
PAD said, "Our mob is not violence"
I doubted.
PAD said, "nobody listens to us, we need a progress"
I objected.
PAD said, Let's move our mob inside the parliament
I scowled.
Pad said, " Let’s go to Donmuang and Suwanbhumi too"
I hated.
PAD said, " if you not one of us you don’t want monarchy"
I disagreed
Pad said, " Believe us and the country will get better"
They lied.
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » March 1, 2009, 3:53 pm

Bangsean_girl wrote:well I don't know why everywhere they go has to be closed even Nongprajak ! I have a poem of how I feel toward them, feel free to critic ;)

PAD said, "We fight for Thailand"
I praised.
PAD said , “Government is corrupt”
I nodded.
PAD said, “come out to save the country”
I listened.
PAD said, "prepare yellow symbols"
I saw.
PAD said, “we would make a mob ”
Their right.
PAD said, "Our mob is not violence"
I doubted.
PAD said, "nobody listens to us, we need a progress"
I objected.


Does this mean you thought they were being listened to and they should have just gone home?

PAD said, Let's move our mob inside the parliament
I scowled.
Pad said, " Let’s go to Donmuang and Suwanbhumi too"
I hated.
PAD said, " if you not one of us you don’t want monarchy"
I disagreed
Pad said, " Believe us and the country will get better"
They lied.

So doe this make you a supporter of the ''redshirts'',as I notice you don't criticize their actions !Some that have been far more violent!Udon ,Chang Mai,Petchaburi and Burriram groups have acted like thugs!
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Bangsean_girl » March 1, 2009, 6:20 pm

well I'm in the middle Stan, the word in the middle in my case is like the judger in the court who have to decided who is right and wrong both between the defendant and the complaint . The judger use their power which base on equality to setence who is right and wrong by being in the middle! And in this case I sentence PAD is Thailand’s mistake! well have not you noticed that those red people who did violent are all got to paid their deed even this government said that eggs are arms after they were thrown eggs to by the redshirt.I think you see PAD carries gun and there are a lot of arms supplies in the paliament, but is there anyone say its wrong or violent? Nothing no! Have you ever heard the news about one women of PAD dead form the tear gas by the police? The PAD claimed that police killed people ! and now what ?after they sent the case to prove, the result saying that her dead was not from the tear gas but from the pingpong boom which used by their PAD member! , Is anyone responsible for this dead? None!

So what is so good about the red shirt that I think they are deserve to be respected,Have you ever heard about the free Thai movement? And Have you ever heard of this named “ Predi Panomyong”? .The Thai free movement according to wikipedia “is an underground resistance movement against Japan during World War II. The movement was one of the important sources to the Allies for military intelligence in this region.” This movement led by Predi Panomyoung who has anti the coup,and later on his group turn the country from absolute monarchy to be the constitutional democratic monarchy by the name of the group called“ Kanarad” .Until oneday when the king rama the 8th pass away. His enemy from the coup and democracy party, let people yell at the cinema said"Preedeekill him"
As a result, he has to move out of the country while he has done so much thing and bring real democracy into our country! He also be the one who established Thammasat University the most famous law university of Thailand! What can you see from this? What we see from this story is this country still has to be ruled under the soldier no matter what, and we can’t ask for real democracy since every single person who try to let this country free from coup end up by being accused as the rebellion who don’t respect the monarchy etc.. And in the Taksin reign when we think there would not be any coup , still when Taksin don’t do like what they do here they come another new coup and here they comes the coup supporter PAD ! My point is the redshirt movement represent as the second part of “Thai free mvoement”, to understand the red people more please read about how the Thai free movement work and has brought to this country! redshirt and thai free mvoement have almost the same attitude that we want democracy into this coutry. In fact,the news you are reading and seeing has alot behind the scene , it is not just the fight btwthe red and yellow, there are alot behind the scene! read more about thai free movement vs soldiers , and Predi panomyong's life then I'm sure you may realised something!


To be honest don’t you ever worry that the red shirt will go close the airport and do whatever bad thing that the yellow mob did in the past since the first policy for their mob is not to do anything like PAD. They have to fight under the law and with the truth because there is not the invisible hand to help them!! Those red shirt only have themselves to support each other! There is noone, no big supporert from the rich and nothing. So every move of the mob has to be right, otherwise there will be no supporter at all! and even they try to make thing right the goverment still try to find the weak point to accuse their action. Actually, there are many group of people who join this mob not only those people who you think they support Taksin. There are various kinds of group who join them.However, those kind of people have the same direction that we want the democracy to be restored in Thailand after we lose it from the last coup.

All in all,I think this country belong to 65 million people instead of certain individuals. Have not you known from the news that this goverment is "goverment of the PAD, by the PAD ,and for the PAD? Everyone in this whole country know that already in case you don't! Even Sondhi, one of PAD leader said that the democracy party has to realised they are what they are because of the PAD !

ps, apologised for long post!
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Bangsean_girl » March 1, 2009, 6:40 pm

PAD said, "nobody listens to us, we need a progress"
I objected
well as I study poetry, you have to imply the second meaning from what the poet imply since you can't put any single words to the poem otherwise it is an essay not a poem! You don't just read and not looking on second meaning !!Every single poem to know the deep meaning there need to be analyse!without analysed, it would make poetry becomes unfascinating dont you think? In this setence the progress I objected ! means as you know the progress that PAD declared are what they called "seperate stars plan" or "Dao krajai" in Thai. It is when they make a progress to close both airports!! just so you know! :lol:
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: westerby » March 1, 2009, 6:43 pm

Techland wrote:Where does it say that the 'major checkpoint' had been operated by the yellows?


BKKSTAN wrote:Yes,I think you read it different than me westerby!
As I understand it the PAD were complaining that the police were setting up extra checkpoints to cause disruption and congestion for PAD!


I missed these replies. You are both correct, I did read the quote incorrectly - sorry.
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Tilokarat » March 2, 2009, 1:57 am

Bangsean Girl you put the truth very eloquently.

I do not agree with everything that Pridi did but you can see he was directing Thailand (Siam) toward democracy.

One point that should be made is that military men like Phibun made the change from an absolute to a constitutional monarchy possible too. Both the bureacracy and military were upset with government cutbacks and at a time when aristocratic salaries were not reduced, and worked together to change the system.

Ever since that time the military has been very careful to ensure that any non-military government does not reduce their salaries and influence in the government. Thaksin tried to do it, which explains the coup to replace him. PAD, of course, have close ties to the top military people, and, unlike the yellow shirts, the people in red do not have the support of those who are against any change to limit the military role in government.

PAD is a good reminder of those groups with their own private armies that were running around attacking people such as farmers, students and writers in the 1970s. They had names like Red Gaurs, Village Scouts and Nawaphone (sp). For the most part thugs provided security at their events, and were led by propagandists like Sondhi and Chamlong.

Thanks for the input, it is most useful. Keep up the good fight.
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Bangsean_girl » March 4, 2009, 10:53 pm

And in the Taksin reign when we think there would not be any coup

oh I wanna correct my word here from "Taksin reign" to when Taksin was prinimister!! I've used the wrong word which I'm not suppose to and this country has been very sensitive about this kind of thing as a result I'd like to correct the word!! ](*,)
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Aardvark » April 25, 2009, 5:14 am

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1 ... to-bangkok Looks like another Rally to be held in Udon tonight, lets hope its peaceful !!
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Re: Nong Prajak Closed

PostAuthor: Khun Paul » April 26, 2009, 6:54 am

Well if they are so busy trying to get whatever it is they are not busy doing something else, like sorting out Thailnads financial mess, sorting out Thailands complate lack of tourism policies, sorting out the problems concerning the farmers , sorting out the health service which is groaning under the weight of people who cannot take care of themselves, soon there will not be a country to sort out, so one hopes they wake up before it is too late.
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