Most Farangs here have either a Thai wife, or long term relationship .I wonder, can anybody actually say"My partner love me?"
I just think To have a wife at maybe half your age is just unheard of in most farang countries. Yes This is Thailand!
Ask A wife/partner,Why you love me? ...The answer will invariably be" You have good heart".

So What is "good heart".... We know that one don't we. Take care. Don'T you ever ask yourself,If I not have money, would She still stay with me?
" Love" here is not love as I see it.It is all about " I have farang he take care me and kids" Him good man love him sooooo much. But what about cant take care? Will she love you? NAH! In your dreams.

But It's ok to just pretend and live life of having a nice young (or older) lady as a good friend, lover.companion which you could never dream of having in your own country.
As a matter of interest, .....(Pop pops)Like see a poll....".Do you think your Partner loves you really"

AH, as I have said before Morti....What is Love???
Can you buy a meter for it?? Can it be measured???? Does it actually exist???
Would my TG stay with me if I suddenly became penniless ??? Absolutely not - but neither would a Falang woman either. And that is in a place where if you have zero money you still do not starve..
It is possible to "over think" things I believe, sometimes it is better to accept what life is rather than destroy happiness by wondering what would happened if A was B...

I have seen this a few times Morti and boy it is a toughie. It is always a running joke with my g/f and me… I keep telling her I have no money and she goes to the wardrobe to pack her stuff and we have a laugh about it.

One thing I will add is the only issue between the 2 of us is NEVER about money but other women. I hasten to add that was when we first got together. She was obsessed with my ex-g/f’s and more so if I would repatriate with any of them. My g/f was cheated on by her ex-husband and that looms large in her mind. In time she has grown to trust me and I never betray her trust.

Love? To put it in perspective… My ex-wife (Irish), the one that stood on an altar and promised before God to love me till death do us part only ever knew the working me. August ’99 I had an accident and was out of work on very much reduced sick pay. I was at home and under her feet as it were. Jan 2000 she said this was not for her anymore and I had to go. When push came to shove she proved herself to be shallow and materialistic and all the Valentine cards, flowers and “I love yous” from her proved to be quite hollow.

I do not throw thousands of Baht at my g/f but she will not want for anything as long as she is with me. If I didn’t have 1 Baht in my pocket would she be gone? Probably as I’d tell her to go and find herself a new man as she is a diamond and deserves the best.

One day I may get burned and simply be an Izzix post but now I certainly feel loved. Even if you take that 4-letter word out of the equation and ask yourself what else is there in your relationship. We get on, we understand each other, we trust each other, we laugh a lot and frankly life has never been better.

I think i agree that things are the same in the west, as in Thailand with regard money and prospects. A woman here marries a man with 'prospects'. Biggest reason for marriage break-up in west is money problems. Here rich men can get young partners too, take Ronnie Wood 61, and the 20 year old Russian girl.

My second wife, who is also Irish, and who i get on quite well with still, we have 'running joke' which is that if i wasn't here, but my salary arrived, and all bills were paid, nobody would notice. Like "anyone seen Phil?" after a couple of months! So i think from a womans point of view all over the world, financial security, good heart, settled relationship is what is important.

I do concede here i could not get younger partner. But my present salary dwarfs my Thai friends salary by £44,000 to £1000 a year. So, if a female took an interest in me and earned 44 times more than me, , ie £1.936,000, i appreciate she'd be quite mad to like me , but, i may be interested in her 'taking care' of me! BUT also, i hear Thai male not good bet, so maybe farang better on numerous levels.

good luck to those that have a nice genuine gal that sticks around, because the options back home are too terrible to contemplate for those that are more mature. i gal in her 20s or 30s is preferable to an old bird back home with all the complications that entails. When i look around at others their gals are not likely to stay around if the cash runs out . so keep the money supply steady just be sensible and dont overdo it and hope it lasts longer than you do .Ring fence your assets .
I used to know a local swiss gent with a guesthouse who was on his 3rd Thai wife but that went bust eventually ,money and family problems ,plus she was doing the dirty when he went to BKK on business.

So is love two poor people sticking with each other,no matter what?

Sounds like a movie with 2 youngsters head over heels about each other,maybe ''Titanic''!Willing to die together,no matter what..................

Does this type of feeling really exist,has it ever been tested other than the movies or fiction novels?

I wonder if it is even a real part of the human psyche or just a romantic notion developed from our feelings as teenagers?

Does my wife 33 years my junior love me?

Let me see now!

9+ years married,never lied to me about the simplest thing,always shown care and interest for my welfare,never left or theatened to leave behind hurt feelings and disagreements,knows all my likes and dislikes and seems to always put me first,has complete access to all our assets for several years now and nothing changes,no doubt in my mind that we are each others best friends,no doubts,now, in my mind of her devotion and loyalty to me and our family nucleus,etc.etc.

Does she think I am more attractive than 25 year old ''cobra gold ''studs or many young guys that she knows are giving her the complete ''once over look''?NO!!

Does that threaten our relationship? Of course not?

Does she fantisize about them? Of course?

Does she get bored at times? Yes,we spend 24/7 together and we get bored with each other at times,no problem !Neither one of us has ever strayed!

Was she head over heels in love with me when she decided to be with me? Absolutely not!

Did she decide to be with me for security and hopefully a good future? Absolutely!

Would she have made that decision if she didn't like me? Absolutely not!!!

Did we trust each other initially? No,we were both hopeful,but wary!

Did she want money to stay with me? Yes,she wanted security,but after 2 months of not ''paying her directly'',she asked for something every month,6000B, that would be hers!My response was that I did not want to pay for a wife and that she would have to trust me as I was trusting her to be true to our word.I told her she would never be without money as long as their was no deception of any kind in our relationship and if that wasn't acceptable,She could take 100K now and leave!

Did she want me to built or buy a house?You bet,but it never happened as I was not interested in providing that type of ''instant security''!She now sees the wisdom of not ''owning'' in an area where you have no relatives or long term friends and where you are not sure you want to live the rest of your life!''But it would be nice to not have a landlord''!!

She decided to stay and over time the trust was built between the two of us as our relationship grew!

I have always made the financial decisions and for the first few years,she never had access to MY assets because I was not willing to give that kind of trust and decision making at that time!This she clearly understood!Over the first few years,I did built a bank acct.under her name up to about 400K or an average of about 10K a month,but I never told her and I kept the ATM card!I have always kept 2-3K in her purse as long as we have been together and she now understands and has access to OUR finances and assets,but chooses to still rely on me to handle the finances although everything is now in her name or joint accounts and has been for the last 3 years!!

She never focuses on our money or wealth!Has asked a few times if ''we OK''as she hears discussions about exchange rates,stock market declines etc

She is still here!SO,does she love me?

You tell me,because I don't doubt it or even think about it anymore!

Would she be around if I was drunk alot,calling her vile names or physically abusing her,treating her like a servant or a whore or being deceitful?Absolutely not!Not a doubt in my mind!!

Do I think she is perfect?Of course not!But she is more than I envisioned by far and I trust no one else in this World as much!!
I wish that I was her age,so we could have a longer life together,but I am grateful for what we have and will have!
All I see from her is a loving attitude , respect and some normal occassional human frustration about our our imperfections!

DOES SHE REALLY LOVE ME? she says so,and I never ask!

What do you think?

I think you should be happy with what you have (no dout you are) there are many out there who can only wish for a relationship like yours. I too have been very lucky, at laest so far and as long as I remember to respect my wife it should (hopefully) continue.

I agree that Thai women put security high on the list. Have just lost out on that score - I am stuck in UK for a year, and TGF got a presumably better offer. I wasn't scammed - the only money she ever had was towards petrol and the cost of some meals; even though it was offered; I was in all other ways pretty well looked after. But i couldn't afford to return early this year due to credit crunch and other problems. So, security was waiting in the wings, option taken. Cannot really blame her, she trusted me, I could not deliver.

So security is important. But i think they want love to; If they are not to desperate, and can choose, they will take the man who makes the effort to show love to them, not just wealth. Is it any different in Falangland - if you do not put effort into a relationship, it will eventually go in most cases.

Guess i will have to wait until i move to find out - but always live in hope, there are always opportunities even on holiday for a real relationship.

What is that? some 4 letter word? I understand Real, but the other is not in my vocabulary

I choose to have 3 gik's all less all than 1/2 my age, sorry but when you hear "dao shu" thats me

My wifes just read this thread. Her only comment. You lot think too much.

Real love? Is that opposed to unreal love, fake love, or just unrequited love.

Then there's unconditional love, but that's usually limited to your dog's love for you. You'll be hard put to find a human who will provide unconditional love.

Conditional love is the best most of us give and get. If you satisfy the conditions you get love, if not, something less is usually provided. It's give and take. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Maybe I've become too jaded in my later years, but that's how I see it today. Too much thinkin' will make you stinkin'.

With apologies for a bit of plagiarism from Monty Python:

Wife: “John, we once had something pure and beautiful, what happened to it?”

Husband (John Cleese): “You spent it”

Rather than look at individual relationships lets consider the question. Do you love me?
Do you love me? Firstly if you are asking that you are most probably feeling insecure and seeking reassurance about your relationship, be it with wife, son or daughter, or anyone else. In a lot of instances the true answer is probably no, though it is doubtful if this is the answer you get.My reason for saying this?Love is such a broad based set of complex emotions, ranging from the simple day to day caring of each other to the extreme feeling you have prior to a sexual encounter.I never have to ask my wife, "Do you love me?"It shows in every aspect of our life together. The way she irons my shirts. The way she likes to cook the food that please me. Her concern when I am sick and many other little ways. No doubt in turn she is aware of my reciprocal feelings.I would feel I am in some way neglecting her if she felt the need to ask me.
So the next time you feel the need to ask that question, stop and consider why, what am I unsure of? If you are being asked then think, what am I neglecting to do for her that is making her unsure.
Love is all around you, embrace it, but never take it for granted.

well ain't you the little romantic love bear...............

makes sense to me, along the lines, 'if you have to ask, it's too expensive'

all i get when i ask, 'do you love me?' , is, "why do you think i'm here, contrary to your damn Matrix mirror, you ain't that handsome, and you definitely aren't rich"......................must be love