The Locals are Revolting.

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PostAuthor: Franco » June 30, 2008, 4:07 pm

More News,

Surprise, Surprise, 'The Nation' newspaper is owned by one of the Ring Leaders of the PAD. and, rumour has it that the PAD are funded by one of the Banks that took a hit when Thaksin dished out all of his cheap Loans.
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PostAuthor: westerby » July 1, 2008, 1:07 am

Franco wrote:More News,

Surprise, Surprise, 'The Nation' newspaper is owned by one of the Ring Leaders of the PAD. and, rumour has it that the PAD are funded by one of the Banks that took a hit when Thaksin dished out all of his cheap Loans.


That makes a lot of sense to me, Franco. The Nation always likes to tell its readers that it's an independent newspaper (when it's really owned by the Opposition).
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PostAuthor: westerby » July 1, 2008, 1:21 am

stattointhailand wrote:If you don't protest/enlighten in the areas that are against you, how are you to win them over. Maggie Thatcher didn't become PM in England by winning the same old Tory strongholds, she went out to the working class areas, put her points of view to them and eventually convinced them that she should be given a chance to make things better (open to debate if she made it better or worse of course).


Sometimes (like now in UK) the country is ready for change and Mrs. T's 1979 election was ably assisted by the Media and the mood of the people.

This PAD opposition trouble making isn't going to work because the LOS isn't ready for change, i.e. nothing has really gone pear shaped yet and they haven't been in for long enough. The best the PAD can hope for is a coup and they can try and achieve that through incitement of disobedience.
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PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » July 1, 2008, 6:09 am

I think the PAD demos in BK are doing quite a bit to keep the issues on the table!In BK they are they majority ,although the opposition,and have real power!

I'm not opposed to PAD demos because of some danger involved,but I think that doing it in Thailand areas where they are a decided minority,is stupidly dangerous because when the demo is overwith,the locals involved could face terrible consequences in a nonfriendly environment!

Doing it in Udon is strictly a confrontational exercise!The BK demos get the message out to all that are interested!

One has to remember that in Thailand,the politicians do not answer directly to their opponets in debates and ''town hall meetings'',nor are they open the any negative questions from the public! :(
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PostAuthor: Guns482 » July 1, 2008, 8:50 am

Politics is a word I do not get involved in at least not here, i did dabble in politics in my country, but it was orchastrated and fairly well governed, here it is a shambles and i will stay well away not even getting involved in Talking about it, comments to Thais, sorry i do not understand and why complain you get the government that paid you, are stock answers and brings a laugh,.therefore no tension. :D :D
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PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » July 1, 2008, 9:29 am

Guns482 wrote:Politics is a word I do not get involved in at least not here, i did dabble in politics in my country, but it was orchastrated and fairly well governed, here it is a shambles and i will stay well away not even getting involved in Talking about it, comments to Thais, sorry i do not understand and why complain you get the government that paid you, are stock answers and brings a laugh,.therefore no tension. :D :D
Souns like a sound plan to me! :lol:
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PostAuthor: cookie » July 3, 2008, 9:51 am

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there seems to me more behind the actions or revolt in Udon Thani....



BURNING ISSUE COMMENT & ANALYSIS
Pro-Thaksin groups prepare to confront their PAD allies
By Weerayut Chokchaimadon
The Nation
Published on July 3, 2008

Opponents of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) claim to have found a way to contain spreading anti-government movements in the northern and northeastern strongholds of the pro-Thaksin Shinawatra People Power Party (PPP).



They have endorsed a strategy used against a PAD rally in

mid-town Udon Thani last Saturday. They call it the Udon Model.

More than 1,000 locals were mobilised to the rally site in only a few hours to oust local PAD leader Charoen Mookachornphan from the city. Earlier, Charoen had taunted local anti-PAD leaders by saying he was not afraid of their threat to expel him from Udon Thani if he did not stop holding mini-rallies against the government.

The anti-PAD group, calling itself "We Love Udon", can be labelled Thaksin supporters. They claim to have learned from the fall of Thaksin in September 2006 that pre-emptive strikes should be carried out to prevent any anti-government sentiment from gaining ground.

The PAD used Udon Thani as a major base from which to attack the Thaksin administration in the upper Northeast from early 2006 until that government's downfall.

Then, during the Surayud Chulanont government, key PAD member Chaiwat Sinsuwong led a rally in Udon Thani, appealing to the government to stop selling Thai sovereignty to Singapore, which was using Udon Thani Airport as a flight-training base.

He alleged that Thaksin had allowed Singapore to benefit from Thai soil.

Now, the anti-PAD group in Udon Thani wants to ensure that history does not repeat itself and the pro-Thaksin PPP government to enjoy a smooth, untroubled term in office.

By rejecting the mainstream media that oppose Thaksin, its leaders have come up with a new political tool to boost their campaign against the PAD: local radio station FM 97.5, the programmes of which are also broadcast via www.weloveudon.net.

Last Saturday from early morning, two programme hosts urged listeners to leave home and gather at the rally in front of PAD-leader Charoen's gold shop and also at his house on Baan Huay Market Road.

Some phone-in callers who wanted to join the rally but lived far away were told they would be provided transport in pickups.

The station is apparently free from watchdog agencies, so it was no surprise to hear one caller say - without realising she was on air - she was on her way to the rally with two pistols. If some bullets were directed at the PAD supporters, she said, no one would be arrested, because: "No one will know who did it."

Fortunately, no shooting was reported.

PAD supporters who went to Charoen's house for the rally found themselves outnumbered 10 to one by We Love Udon members, allegedly backed by a local politician who is a brother of a PPP Cabinet member. Charoen's house was closed, and he reportedly had left

town.

The occasion nevertheless became a tense and noisy stand-off between supporters of both sides, separated by scores of police officers. There were moments of hostility as the rally lasted through the night. Eventually, the demonstrators drifted away at about midday on Sunday after Charoen showed no signs of returning.

Pro-Thaksin groups across upper Thailand are hailing the events in Udon Thani as a major defeat for the PAD's new round of rallies against the pro-Thaksin government.

They have vowed to apply the Udon Model whenever there's a need to "control" the PAD's mini-rallies in provinces like Chiang Mai and Nakhon Ratchasima.

Although the strategy will not work in the southern strongholds of the Democrat Party, they say they want to ensure that the PAD is paralysed in

the PPP strongholds of the North, Northeast and Central regions.

It is now becoming a dangerous game of "an eye for an eye".
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PostAuthor: UdonExpat » July 3, 2008, 9:53 am

The Nation may be owned by someone influential in PAD, but then again all newspapers are owned by someone with a political affiliation and a point of view that they want to promote. Editors use assignments, layout, headlines, and commentary to promote their agendas. At the same time they report current events.

Generally newspapers in the US are labeled conservative or liberal depending upon the orientation of the labeler. I'm not sure how newspapers in Thailand get labeled by their opposition.

In any case, political action and protest is in Udon. When the anti-PAD group was gathering my wife told me they were offering 300 baht per person to join the demonstration. Certainly, in all rallies some participants are believers and others are opportunists. It's true in the US too where small 'stipends' are paid for participation.

Pro-Thaksin groups prepare to confront their PAD allies
By Weerayut Chokchaimadon
The Nation
Published on July 3, 2008

Opponents of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) claim to have found a way to contain spreading anti-government movements in the northern and northeastern strongholds of the pro-Thaksin Shinawatra People Power Party (PPP).

They have endorsed a strategy used against a PAD rally in mid-town Udon Thani last Saturday. They call it the Udon Model.

More than 1,000 locals were mobilised to the rally site in only a few hours to oust local PAD leader Charoen Mookachornphan from the city. Earlier, Charoen had taunted local anti-PAD leaders by saying he was not afraid of their threat to expel him from Udon Thani if he did not stop holding mini-rallies against the government.

The anti-PAD group, calling itself "We Love Udon", can be labelled Thaksin supporters. They claim to have learned from the fall of Thaksin in September 2006 that pre-emptive strikes should be carried out to prevent any anti-government sentiment from gaining ground.

The PAD used Udon Thani as a major base from which to attack the Thaksin administration in the upper Northeast from early 2006 until that government's downfall.

Then, during the Surayud Chulanont government, key PAD member Chaiwat Sinsuwong led a rally in Udon Thani, appealing to the government to stop selling Thai sovereignty to Singapore, which was using Udon Thani Airport as a flight-training base.

He alleged that Thaksin had allowed Singapore to benefit from Thai soil.

Now, the anti-PAD group in Udon Thani wants to ensure that history does not repeat itself and the pro-Thaksin PPP government to enjoy a smooth, untroubled term in office.

By rejecting the mainstream media that oppose Thaksin, its leaders have come up with a new political tool to boost their campaign against the PAD: local radio station FM 97.5, the programmes of which are also broadcast via www.weloveudon.net.

Last Saturday from early morning, two programme hosts urged listeners to leave home and gather at the rally in front of PAD-leader Charoen's gold shop and also at his house on Baan Huay Market Road.

Some phone-in callers who wanted to join the rally but lived far away were told they would be provided transport in pickups.

The station is apparently free from watchdog agencies, so it was no surprise to hear one caller say - without realising she was on air - she was on her way to the rally with two pistols. If some bullets were directed at the PAD supporters, she said, no one would be arrested, because: "No one will know who did it."

Fortunately, no shooting was reported.

PAD supporters who went to Charoen's house for the rally found themselves outnumbered 10 to one by We Love Udon members, allegedly backed by a local politician who is a brother of a PPP Cabinet member. Charoen's house was closed, and he reportedly had left town.

The occasion nevertheless became a tense and noisy stand-off between supporters of both sides, separated by scores of police officers. There were moments of hostility as the rally lasted through the night. Eventually, the demonstrators drifted away at about midday on Sunday after Charoen showed no signs of returning.

Pro-Thaksin groups across upper Thailand are hailing the events in Udon Thani as a major defeat for the PAD's new round of rallies against the pro-Thaksin government.

They have vowed to apply the Udon Model whenever there's a need to "control" the PAD's mini-rallies in provinces like Chiang Mai and Nakhon Ratchasima.

Although the strategy will not work in the southern strongholds of the Democrat Party, they say they want to ensure that the PAD is paralysed in the PPP strongholds of the North, Northeast and Central regions.

It is now becoming a dangerous game of "an eye for an eye".
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PostAuthor: UdonExpat » July 3, 2008, 9:54 am

Well Cookie, looks like we're on similar wavelengths this morning.
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PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » July 3, 2008, 10:08 am

I support the PAD s protests from the point of view that there is very little opportunity for opposing viewpoints to be heard!

But,I fear that they are just opposition politicians vying for power for themselves first and the good of the country last!

They have been very effective in bringing awareness to some serious issues in Thailand,but because of the ''real political''agenda,they are starting to cross the line from making the public aware and keeping the issues in the news to selfish disruptive confrontation!

They could move their rallies to stadium venues and still receive the news media coverage needed to keep the issues in the news!

The blocking off of streets and neighborhoods with the disruption to ordinary citizens is contrary to raising real support!So I really question their motives unless they are looking for a coup of sorts with the violence that will cause some ''instant change''! :(
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PostAuthor: Guns482 » July 3, 2008, 11:06 pm

As I have always said Thailand has the Government that piad for it now the opposition is doing the same thing,
democracy..................Joke........... :D
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