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Visa-on-arrival (VOA) regulations being tightened

PostAuthor: JimboPSM » September 10, 2006, 5:35 am

From Bangkok Post:
Visa rules will be tightened to stop abuse

Maximum stay of 90 days for foreigners

By Chatrudee Theparat

Visa-on-arrival (VOA) regulations will be tightened for nationals of 41 countries to prevent abuse of the privilege and curb the rising number of illegal entries, according to the Immigration Police Bureau (IPB). Foreign nationals from those countries, including the US, China and India, will be able to stay longer but with fewer chances of renewing the VOA.

IPB commissioner Suwat Tumrongsiskul said nationals from those specific countries are currently allowed to remain in Thailand for 15 days maximum after the VOA is granted. The VOA is normally renewable once.

However, some foreigners including tourists ''tiptoe around the law'' by resorting to so-called visa runs to extend their stay. Most take a bus to a border, check out of the country and then return the same day to have the VOA renewed.

They repeat the practice as many times as they wish, affording them almost unlimited stay in the country. The policy is largely intended to serve tourism.

Pol Lt-Gen Suwat said the change of the VOA rules is in order.

In future, foreigners from those 41 countries will be able to stay in the country for 30 days from the first VOA stamp, which will be renewable twice at most, each time for a maximum of 30 days. In other words, a foreigner will be permitted to remain in Thailand for no longer than 90 days in total after three VOA stamps.

The commissioner said the current system is prone to abuse as many foreign nationals make numerous visa runs so they can stay on long term to do business. In some cases, they have gone unregulated, causing social problems.

Official figures showed that about 400,000 Chinese nationals were granted a VOA last year, and 18,000 of them have stayed behind.

Around 200,000 Indians made VOA visits last year and it was found that 16,000 of them have not left.

Pol Lt-Gen Suwat said the new VOA rules will be put into effect once approved by the Royal Thai Police Office.

He said more information technology will be employed in the blacklisting system. The IT-operated immigration clearance system is now in use at 15 out of 55 checkpoints nationwide to check in tourists and screen out undesirable individuals. The technology lets the bureau enlarge its database of foreign visitors to identify those on the blacklist and expel them.

Pol Col Ittipol Ittisarnronnachai, head of the Pattaya immigration centre, said its IT-operated database is shared by many hotels and resorts in Pattaya to help track down blacklisted people. The technology has been credited with weakening the local mafia network.

The Betong immigration centre in Yala is also using the system to trace people of dual nationality, some of whom are believed to be behind the southern strife.

Pol Lt-Gen Suwat said more authority to issue visas will be delegated to regional IPB offices.

At present, IPB chief inspectors are authorised to grant visas, and in future their deputies will also be able to approve visa requests
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PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » September 10, 2006, 9:19 am

:roll: There is going to be problems for a lot of guys I have met coming through NK :!:
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PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » September 10, 2006, 9:36 am

:) Good friend and his G/F have been back in Brighton for a couple of monts,returning this month.He has been making 30 day runs for a longtime.Gave him a ''headsup'' about the Voa and new airport in case he is not aware!
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PostAuthor: Bump » September 10, 2006, 12:21 pm

Someone want to delete my thread this is the same thing, it is going to get confusing and I'm going to get yelled at again. Seems like we have heard this many times before, wonder if they will really do anything this time. There are guys who years upon years here on this.

There does seem to be a lot of sword rattling in this neck of the woods. This is why I waited till 55 before I stayed here at the time 50 was the age. I could have been here many years earlier. Just didn't want to take the chance of giving up my contacts and licenses for a chance that I might be able to stay.
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PostAuthor: valentine » September 10, 2006, 12:54 pm

I am totally confused. I thought a VOA was already valid for 30 days from arrival and was free, for some countries citizens including US and UK. As I understood it you could get one months extension by paying 1,900 bht to make a total of 60 days. To get another VOA ,you had to leave the country and come back again when you could if you wish get an extension by paying the fee and get another 30 days.If you wanted further you had to be out of Thailand for a minimum of 48hrs, then you could start over again.
Now are they saying you won't be able to get this paid for extension but will get another VOA free without leaving the country two times?90 days in all.
What happens after you've had the three? Are you barred for ever more from re-entering Thailand, or after what period of time can you start another three?
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PostAuthor: Ricky » September 10, 2006, 1:00 pm

Be careful here. The wording in the original quote referred to 41 countries and Visas issued on arrival of 15 days. "We", meaning USA, European, Australasian countries already receive 30 day visas on arrival. So it may well not be aimed at "us".

They could be talking about certain other Asian countries such as those from the Indian sub-continent.

Let's not jump to conclusions too quickly, or before we know "all" the facts. :)
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PostAuthor: valentine » September 10, 2006, 1:30 pm

Actually Arjay it spefically mentions US along with China hence my confusion.
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PostAuthor: Ricky » September 10, 2006, 1:35 pm

Actually Arjay it spefically mentions US along with China hence my confusion.
Agreed. And it then goes on to speak of 15 day visas issued on arrival. I think maybe they have got their wires crossed somewhere, or at least the reporter has. :?
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PostAuthor: Bump » September 10, 2006, 1:51 pm

Good catch Arjay :wink:
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PostAuthor: valentine » September 10, 2006, 3:22 pm

I am surprised nobody commented on the statistics regarding Indian and Chinese overstayers. 200,000 Indians of whom 16,000 have dissapeared into thin air and 400,000 Chinese of whom 18,000 have disappeared.Thats a total of 34,000 illegals floating around the country, or to put it another way, more than the entire number of many nations farangs legally staying here.
To think I worry about my 90 day reporting. :roll:
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PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » September 10, 2006, 3:22 pm

I think the important part is the limit to 90 days combined VOA's!
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PostAuthor: businessman » September 10, 2006, 8:09 pm

Very interesting story.For my first two years here i did visa runs,first to Malaysia when i lived on Phuket and Samui and later to Laos when i discovered the joys of Nong Khai.There is an absolutely huge floating population of visa run people drifting around the country.Where are they all going to go to i wonder?Back home to the cold and grey or move down to say Malaysia.I believe they now do a ten year visa if you have enough cash in the bank(40000 USD ?)
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PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » September 10, 2006, 8:21 pm

:lol: I'm wondering if there is going to be a rash of marriages.I can just see girls offering to marry for a price.They used to do it a longtime ago in the USA to get green cards!
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PostAuthor: JimboPSM » September 10, 2006, 8:50 pm

I have checked the websites of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Royal Thai Embassy in the UK and the Thai Consulates in the UK for press releases etc but have not found anything that backs up, clarifies or verifies the Bangkok Post article.

I am now wondering whether this article (which is attributed to the Immigration Police Bureau) may have been a result of a chain reaction started by the worldwide reporting of the fruit and nutcase who was shipped back to the US a couple of weeks ago.

Thailand received a lot of adverse publicity from that incident and there may have been quite a few butts that have received a serious kicking as a result.
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PostAuthor: Bump » September 10, 2006, 8:57 pm

That certainly is a posibliity as I said I recall this subject coming up before and nothing much came of it if anything. Lots of people were very concerned. But the other side of the coin was the uproar with doubling the marrriage visa requirement and they did in fact do that.

If I had to take a guess I would lean towards sabre rattling
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