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Well looks like it can be done

PostAuthor: Bump » May 18, 2007, 11:40 pm

Hi All,

For those who are interested, the application process for Thai
Citizenship in my case went as follows:

Late 2003 - Picked up the checklist from the Police Headquarters on
Rama 1 Road

January 2004 - Took all my documents to the Police Department, in what
I thought was a word perfect application. However, since I was
applying in January and this being a new tax year, my tax returns from
the three preceding years were not enough. An oversight on my part, so
waited until I got my most recent tax retirn PNG 91 for 2003

March 2004 - Try again. This time my application was successfully
lodged. Paid the 5,000 Baht fee. Got fingeprinted. Signed my name (in
Thai) on dozens of firms. Took two Thai witnesses and later my wife
plus kids to show that they were real. Took forms issued to me by the
police department to immigration and my disctrict office. Later went
back to pick up the completed forms and take them back to the police
department

April 2004 - Thai language interview at the Police Department

September 2004 - Invited to the Interior Ministry. Showed them my work
permit, passport, alien registration certificate and certificate of
residence. Then, I was shown into a room with around 40 people
watching me. I was given a microphone and asked to sing the Thai
National anthem and Phra Baramee (the one they play in the cinema).
Yes, really. Managed to keep a straight face. Got interviewed in Thai
- basic Q&A about my circumstances. Around the same time, a group of
three officials from the Interrior Ministry visited my house to see if
my domestic circumstances were as described on my application form

Waited

Waited

February 2006 - Got the good news that the then Interior Minister Khun
Kongsak had approved my application

March 2006 - Got a letter to notify me of the above

Waited

(September 2006 - military coup)

Waited

November 2006 - Got the good news that the King had countersigned my
application

December 2006 - One of the most memorable parts: the oath. Just
after the King endorsed my application, I was asked to report to the
police department in business attire, armed with a candle, a lotus
flower and an incense stick. I then had to stand with these in my
hands while clasped in a wai, in front of a Buddhist shrine, repaeting
an oath of allegance to King and country, and promising to be an
upright and law-abiding citizen.

Waited

Waited

April 2007 - Got the good news that the new Interior Minister Khun
Aree had announced in the Interior Ministry notices that a bunch of
applicants including me could now get Thai nationality

May 2007 - Got the paperwork and certificate from the Police HQ to
take to the disctrict office to get my ID card. Now I must return my
work permit, alien residence certificate and certificate of residence
to respective authorities as these are no longer needed. Now I can
apply for a passport

Told that my application was one of the faster ones these days.
Getting Thai Citizenship IS a pain in the arse - but look on the
bright side:

1) Now I can own what I buy, land, house, etc

2) No need for a work permit, and no restricted occupations. I can now
drive a Tuk Tuk for a living if the going gets tough in the IT
industry

3) Now I can get in free to the Grand Palace and pay the Thai rate for
national parks

4) I can own a business

5) I can get a Thai passport and visit countries like Laos and Vietnam
visa free

6) No need for that expensive old yearly Resident Return visa. No
limit to the amount of time that I spend out of Thailand without
losing my residency

7) I can use the Thai passport lane at the airport (shorter queues)

8) In my case, no need to give up my old nationality

9) I have a new Thai identity, forename and surname. Good for
travelling to places that dislike my country of origin

10) I think that I can even vote, although I am not sure who is worth
voting for

All you need to do is satisfy the following to apply:

http://phuketgazette.com/issuesanswers/ ... asp?id=759

Golden rules are:

1) Be patient and never get upset. The people that handle your
application do not make the rules and do not have any power over what
happens in the Interior Ministry

2) Get a coach. Not an expensive lawyer - just make friends with one
of the officials that handles your application
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PostAuthor: Bump » May 18, 2007, 11:45 pm

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PostAuthor: kevh » May 19, 2007, 12:02 am

That is amazing ray,

As soon as you get your passport could you post comfirmation of this on the forum please?

The only reason i ask is that Thai immigration have confirmed numerous times that if a person holds a passport of a different nationality then a thai passport will not be issued to that person.

Even if they are a Thai citizen.

This was also confirmed by the British embassy when we applied for out half thai half english daughters passport.

The confirmed that if we wanted both thai and english passports then the thai government insist on you having the thai one first. As they do not allow thailand to be anyones 2nd nationality.

Crazy i know

So please let us know when you get the passport.

Kev
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PostAuthor: beer monkey » May 19, 2007, 12:20 am

is this your application Ray or is it something of interest you spotted on another web site ? :?
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PostAuthor: neeemu » May 19, 2007, 12:34 am

No chance of me ever getting 80,000 baht a month in Thailand! I struggle to get that in the UK!
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PostAuthor: tawan3 » May 19, 2007, 1:39 am

Congradulations, and welcome to Thailand. =D>
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PostAuthor: Paul » May 19, 2007, 2:19 am

so... of the 48 people that considered themselves eligible (they just about walked on water and were able to satisfy ALL the requirements)but only 20% of them succeeded.

That is 20% of those who were completely eligible - how many thousands were not eleigible for a matter of one or two clauses ?

DONT watch this space !!!!
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PostAuthor: skipvice » May 19, 2007, 3:42 am

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PostAuthor: beer monkey » May 19, 2007, 5:32 am

a ha..... the puzzle is solved.Image
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PostAuthor: papaguido » May 19, 2007, 9:37 am

kevh wrote:That is amazing ray,

As soon as you get your passport could you post comfirmation of this on the forum please?

The only reason i ask is that Thai immigration have confirmed numerous times that if a person holds a passport of a different nationality then a thai passport will not be issued to that person.

Even if they are a Thai citizen.

This was also confirmed by the British embassy when we applied for out half thai half english daughters passport.

The confirmed that if we wanted both thai and english passports then the thai government insist on you having the thai one first. As they do not allow thailand to be anyones 2nd nationality.

Crazy i know

So please let us know when you get the passport.

Kev


That's strange, because both my kids are dual citzenship. Both issued (USA) passports. Both received Thai passports after receiving US passports. One child was born in USA and the other in Thailand. At neither time were we ever asked if our children were issued passports from another country nor did we volunteer the information. All we ever had to do was to prove their Thai nationality. How's the Thai government to know if you hold a passport from another country?
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PostAuthor: laphanphon » May 19, 2007, 10:13 am

on your first laos run, 2 lg bottles of bailey's please 8)
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PostAuthor: BKKSTAN » May 19, 2007, 10:17 am

:lol: One of the problems,I have had in Thailand is asking a gov't official ''to many questions''!If they don't know the facts they will make them up to save face!

If you are not asked,don't volunteer because you might get what you want even if the rules are the opposite!If they don't know and you don't ask,very seldom they will look it up or ask someone else!
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PostAuthor: Doc » May 19, 2007, 11:51 am

BKKSTAN wrote:If you are not asked,don't volunteer because you might get what you want even if the rules are the opposite!If they don't know and you don't ask,very seldom they will look it up or ask someone else!


That is excellent advice for anyone dealing with any bureaucracy in any country. Tell people only what they need to know - not everything that you think that you know. :lol:
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PostAuthor: laphanphon » May 19, 2007, 12:57 pm

so.....Khun Ray, how shall we address you now? ............Khun________

i think that is way too cool. i could never do it, don't have the bureaucratic patience, plus i fly under the radar for income, enough to stay here, but not enough to be required to file taxes. i'd be a little shy on income and tax statements, wouldn't be available, let alone having a basic understanding of thai. ok, i've only been here 6 yrs :oops:

it would be a shame if you applied for a US visa and got turned down. :shock: :lol: :lol:
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PostAuthor: mackayae » May 19, 2007, 1:30 pm

[quote="laphanphon"]so.....Khun Ray, how shall we address you now? ............Khun________

Khun dbrenn.
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